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Colonel Or: I don’t want and I’m not willing for extreme Messianic views that see me as a messenger, in this case, let’s say secular, serving the purpose that will lead to us either sitting here until the Jordan River or until the end if someone wants to misbehave even more, and therefore we don’t need democracy here because democracy cannot exist here, for sure, it will be total apartheid because there’s no other way here, or we’ll stand as Smotrich’s writings from 2017 say. But leave Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, we’re talking about rabbis who lead this. From Rabbi Lior and Rabbi Ginzburg… it’s much deeper than what we see. Smotrich and those are just the surface of things.

Semrik: Are they squeezing him?

Colonel Or: Politically, for sure, if they leave, he loses his chance to be accused in criminal cases. I think that’s his central consideration.

Semrik: You mean his chance to get out of the criminal trial?

Colonel Or: Definitely, so it’s a historic event driven by itself that happens once in a few generations. When a prime minister is accused of criminal acts and is held by very extreme Jews.

Semrik: What do you mean practically? The pain in the body that Yona feels when she says with a removed breath, “it hurts me.” What does it mean in practice? The thing you’re alluding to?

Colonel Or: A clash between people, which I hope will not result in too much bloodshed, and I hope there won’t be catastrophes, but if the situation continues like this, we will be in a situation of a collision, as I hope, not hope, believe.

Semrik: What does it mean in practice? The pain in the body that Yona feels when she says with a removed breath, “it hurts me.” What does it mean in practice? The thing you’re alluding to?

Colonel Or: A clash between people, which I hope will not result in too much bloodshed, and I hope there won’t be catastrophes, but if the situation continues like this, we will be in a situation of a collision, as I hope, not hope, believe.

Semrik: But you used the word “blood.”

Colonel Or: Can be, definitely can be, and maybe we woke up finally, an hour before, because if we didn’t feel this, it would drag us into the same situation, but we wouldn’t feel it, meaning we would lose the country we believe in. But we wouldn’t be willing to look back because the reality of an entirely different strategic nature would be too painful. It’s good that way, unfortunately, that’s the situation because we know how to fight as we fought, and we have the full right, so yes, we will be able to get out of it, I hope, not hope, I believe.

Elian: I love poetry, of course, I really love poetry, I always say I can’t read, you know novels, because I love brevity, the fact that you describe a world in a few lines, and I tried to find a poem for the New Year, and I went over children’s songs, the Tom song that we used to say “Shana Tova to David the hero who is on guard and to all the lovers,” but among things, I suddenly found a poem that I think is really spoken by mouth, and it’s called “Something for the New Year” by Talor Sofer:

“Don’t make drama out of this year.

Actually, if you want, you can make, get excited about every little thing, try, burst out, laugh, get angry, say words like I don’t believe, weird, crazy, there are no such things.

Maybe it’s better than saying at the end of the year that the performance was boring and the audience was disappointed and left. Make a drama out of this year, the whole stage is yours.”